This week in Bitcoin- 10-11-2019- Gabriel D. Vine talks IRS, Libra, Banks, BTC’s 2nd decade, WeWork


hello everyone this is adam meister the
bitcoinmeister the disrupt meister welcome to this week in bitcoin today is
October the 11th 2019 strong hand bitcoin is the next bitcoin value wealth
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unconvicted be a unique beast oh I’ve got you a unique beast right here you
think I’m a unique piece this dude is a freaking unique piece you all know him
it is Gabriel Devine coming in from some undisclosed locations somewhere on this
planet welcome to the show look I got a new shirt it says which is where in the
world is Satoshi Nakamoto you get shirts like this link to below but hey Gabriel
great to have you back you unique Beast thanks Adam you know Satoshi she’s
actually in the next room so that’s where I am but I am on earth I do I do
disclose my locate my planetary location okay because you do believe well I don’t
want to get into what you believe that’s beyond the earth and whatnot we can talk
we disagree but now we’re gonna get into something that for me it’s it’s beyond
my earth I wish this was off planet the IRS why do they have to be off this
planet why do they have to be in this country
you know I I get I said I’m offended by some Bitcoin I am offended by the IRS
and it’s crypto ignorance okay and what they just came out with with the fort so
I’m gonna read you something by a Matt Correll oh here and I want your take on
it he says IRS please audit me claiming I
owe taxes on hard forks and air drops I didn’t know about never could
practically legally convert to fungible assets and never did receive I very much
love to bring this in front of a judge so he’s talking about the recent
guidelines at the is it’s linked to below and Gabriel Divine’s link to below
by the way to if you are checking out that the IRS they were trying to clarify
things it wasn’t very clear what they said about the the crypt of demons the
the forks and the airdrops was in saying and I don’t think
they know what the heck they’re talking about but what are you what’s your take
uh it’s ambiguous right so I mean every law has some degree of ambiguity but tax
law has some of the worst and in this case this is like an especially
egregious instance and specifically I’ve noticed that a lot of people are
focusing on this verb receive and I’m totally not a tax attorney I’m not an
accountant my knowledge is you know layperson level when it comes to tax and
but you know it is interesting to think about what receive means like Matt was
saying like I have no idea about Bitcoin palladium you know I mean or what some
crap fork that somebody tried to scam other people with and it’s like you know
did I just because I could use my Bitcoin Keys to claim this shit fork
excuse my language crap fork that is out there just because
I could doesn’t mean that I quote unquote received it and what does
receive mean in this instance do I need how do you how does the government prove
that I have taken possession of the coins on and on a fork chain and that
really raises the question about enforce ability in general that vortex was
talking about on Twitter which is can’t enforce this it’s the same thing you
know it’s like it under the table job right where are you like oh yeah I’ll
bartend for your one-off party and you’re gonna kick me down 60 bucks you
know it they can’t really enforce that now when you’re talking about digital
money and and then in crypto whatever people are specific specifically using
cryptographic tools in order to hide the activity so then the the enforceability
is called so seriously into question that it’s becomes a joke
I don’t know if you think I’m beginning to think that they just want to freak
people out so much that they want people to self-report just telling themselves
basically I mean it it almost seems like that’s why they lead this ambiguous or
that they just have no idea what they’re talking yeah I would say that is their
mo in general like they want to scare people into paying them I mean it’s
extortion right it’s classic extortion if you don’t pay them we’re gonna lock
you in a cage we’re gonna hunt you down men with guns will come after you if you
try to fight them back we’re just gonna send like a huge platoon after you until
we overpower you and throw you in a box and this is no different that’s their
general MO and it’s really just a in this case such an egregious example of
overreach it’s totally retarded but basically their idea is any money that
you make we own a bunch of it because we’re providing the infrastructure and
the protection it’s basically a protection scheme right the mafia comes
around to your store they say hey we’re gonna protect you from the other Guido’s
that come around here so you got to pay us 15% what a deal huh those cops ain’t
gonna protect us we got Vinny out here it comes around every six weeks he’s
gonna check out your property you pay us 15% everything will be great you’ll be
you’ll be protected and you know with a protection scheme you know ideally if
you run into problems of coercion and violence you genuinely could go to them
whereas if you were into the police it they’re going to be ineffectual whereas
a mafia guys I mean if they’re actually running a legitimate protection scheme
they might actually be able to protect you you know whereas but the may be you
know right with the US military in its excursions around the world and stuff
it’s extremely questionable whether the providing security or just extorting all
right classic protection scheme all right pound that like button people if
you don’t like the RS and I know so we’ll see how this progresses what what
other clarifying statements might come out in the future if they pick on anyone
we shall see I am uh I’m not freaking out about it I don’t think I clearly
think they’re trying to scare people in mostly they don’t know what they’re
talking about and vortex again I said it on Wednesday show vortex said it best
you know best best luck best of luck in forcing this is okay moving on to
another government issue god again the government likes to get involved in this
type of thing and hey specifically from someone from California Maxine Waters
you you had spent some time in California in your day so you you know
of Maxine Waters well she wants to have a hearing in a couple weeks here it’s
gonna be called an examination of Facebook and its impact on the financial
services and housing sectors okay Zuckerberg Mark Zuckerberg would be the
only witness while details were sparse in Wednesday’s press release noted that
committee chairwoman Maxine the wig waters has drafted the heap big tech out
of Finance Act previously waters had called for Facebook to halt development
of Libre until lawmakers concerns were addressed the draft legislation
prohibits large platform utilities like Facebook from becoming chartered
licensed licensed or registered as US financial institutions okay she doesn’t
she’s scapegoating uh she’s playing everything in the world on Facebook you
know Facebook that might not be the greatest company in the world they might
spy on you et cetera et cetera I say this is where the big boys play let them
print their own money let them be their own financial
organizations there are there’s lots of corrupt financial organizations why then
what she’s grandstanding I think she does know what she’s talking about I’m
almost 100% sure what’s your take on is this gonna be a big deal when Zuckerberg
testifies probably not because it’s kind of like a one hearing in a long series
of kind of ups and downs and different corporates sponsorships corporate
partnerships and government crackdowns and partnerships and bribes huge bribes
behind the scenes but one thing that I’d like to bring up that this really
reminds me of is mr. robot it’s a TV show it’s in its fourth season now it
has a Sam Sol the producer has a lot of issues stringing together a plot after
the first season it’s a real problem but one of the
things that they did absolutely nail in second or third season was the override
the giant Corp a corporation a Corp in this show which is like a combo Google
Facebook Apple almost they launched ecoan which is exactly as a centralized
you know digital thing and it wasn’t working and then the CEO had dirt on
senator or some government of high government official federal and
basically blackmailed him into allowing Corp to create loans which is banking of
course right yes so I mean that’s those are the two function of banking is
lending and you know securing and holding right capital for other people
so they didn’t want to allow it like Maxine Waters is saying now we’re gonna
disallow that you know oh you can’t have a banking license or you can’t print
this you know this digital currency international thing because we’re not
going to give you a banking license in the States you know it’s funny because
banking licenses in general are completely crony run the whole idea of
you can’t do this financial activity unless the protection scheme guys let
you is totally coercive and authoritarian so the idea of a banking
license in general where they’re like trying to make trying to make fractional
reserves safer so that it doesn’t actually work it’s only you know there’s
all these countries in the world where they don’t have a giant military to you
know steal from everybody at will so if there’s a bank run it just collapses and
this whole idea of oh well they had a banking license and so it’s insured is
is BS because it’s there’s so much more outstanding than if everybody wants to
pull their money out the good company will immediately fail so it’s kind of
like you know lipstick on a pig all the way down right it’s 26,000 lipstick on
pigs and but it really doesn’t remind me
right it really doesn’t run me of equine where
I’m you know unless Zuckerberg has enough dirt from spying on Maxine Waters
his Facebook message messenger and seeing about her lesbian pedophile
murder karma very or excuse me what’s a call
when you eat people cannibalism or whatever you know some horrible dirt or
she can be like he can be like hey now we are getting a biking license or your
careers done and I wouldn’t be surprised if they pull something like that off it
has not much to do with Bitcoin just like in mr. robot they handled it really
well where they way they must have talked to a lot of hackers and got the
real story because that particular sort of plot you know actually worked really
well cuz he had it was he was like bitcoin is is reaching its maximum and
people can’t use it all the time because there’s it was before like me now it was
right at 2017 they were writing well it was really well done and then it was
like here’s our alternative we got a issue bonds or loans and and we can loan
the US government and you guys will oh s back interest and you’re gonna you’re
gonna go for this right now and that’s exactly the kind of thing
that the corporate aqua see and Silicon Valley technocratic with love so do you
think this is a two-part question here do you think libro should exist I mean
and do you think they’ll let me bring this should you know I try not to show
it on situations III think that they should I I’d personally believe that
they should be free to create this scam go for it and do I think that they will
succeed well so there’s this guy cliff hi you see I let people talk about things I
don’t talk about telnet like Mike going yeah cliff highs this guy and he’s
written some weird predictive software where he analyzes everybody it’s very
woowoo he’s trying to analyze everybody’s subconscious psychic
messages and compile them into prediction
he’s got a pretty decent success rate actually but it could just be him being
smart and putting together his data in a smart way cuz he’s a smart guy you know
he’s a clever guy he’s maybe just doing a good job parsing through some data and
seeing what people are talking about now and just kind of drawing out some of the
things that he thinks they’re gonna happen and you know he’s a pretty good
track record not necessarily with you know any if you pluck any particular
prediction but he is something like 50 percent success rate historically which
is ridiculously good for just random predictions about human society weather
you know everything anything you think a Bitcoin price crap coin prices whatever
so um one of the interesting things that did come up repeatedly in his reports
when he was still publishing them into 2018 was that the deep state would
attempt to create they would attempt three times to create an international
currency and all three would flop and the first one he specifically said is
the SDR right which is this thing that does exist it’s not really getting a
whole lot of traction as far as I know it’s a basket currency where they’re
popping together all the different countries crap coins the you on the
dollar euro everything and they’re trying to make a try to peg an
international currency which is exactly what Facebook wants to do with Libra
right it’s exactly the same thing but it’s just controlled by a corporation
instead of the IMF I think which is behind this SDR Special Drawing rights
right so this is a basically a limited currency only if you’re really good
friends with the jerks at the top so that’s really interesting because they
did that CR and then there was there’s been a few different attempts to create
these digital basically crap coins token you know useless tokens there’s
the petrol right that was illuminated not an international one but he
specifically you know did did say it was one of those things that came up
repeatedly that there’s three times and all will fail
Bitcoin will go on through the decades so that’s kind of what I see I think
that Libra may be allowed to launch in the next 10 years but it’s gonna have
limited user base in my opinion all right now youyou did say when you were
talking about a coin comparing it can forget the Libra I like that that it’s
not Bitcoin and we all know that it’s not Bitcoin but it seems to me there are
a lot of people who are quite confused about it and it’s it’s taken some of the
hits for Bitcoin too when when the vibe toward Libra was when they thought it
was going to happen Bitcoin price took off
now people been worried about Libra Bitcoin price has been down so they’re
good people some people out there are mixed up do you think this will be an
attack vector onto Bitcoin in the sense that the government will shoot down
Facebook coin and then go for Bitcoin or might it deflect some of the attacks hmm
okay so definitely no to the first question whether it will deflect some of
the attacks maybe deflect some of the attention at
least yes certainly it was it’s already deflecting attention which is kind of
interesting which is really good but the thing that’s you know it’s it’s very
clear and sort of direct why that is and the main difference is it’s completely
and totally centralized and bitcoin is decentralized and so they have somebody
to go after and pester about Libra and there’s nobody to go after and pester
about Bitcoin because those in charge and you can’t attack it and anytime you
do you will it will backfire in your face
so yeah how has the connection right now is it okay yeah yeah for a second it was
but it’s a convenient scapegoat Facebook yeah that’s why I think yeah it could
actually deflect some attention because once again as you pointed out the the
understanding is still nascent when it comes to these assets and many people
could get confused so yeah it could deflect some attention I think it kind
of already is little bit I hope you know what you also
said I hadn’t even thought about it I hope he does have some dirt on Maxine
and all the other people over there and he implies to them nicely behind the
scenes you’re gonna let me have this because I’ve got access to all your info
that would be great I think that way but I think it should this is where the big
boys play I say let them create whatever they want to create they should be able
to print their own money just like United States can print its own money
just like Russia can print its own money people have to get used to you know
we’re gonna talk about how this is the second decade of Bitcoin people gotta
get used to this new paradigm where it’s not just countries that print money it’s
not just countries that print money anymore
that’s I’ve got I’ve got one word for you Meister coin how that like button it
won’t be happen it all right so let’s uh let’s move on to something we’re talking
about the financial systems the whole worldwide financial system here let’s
let sherry tweet by the great liberty Blitzkrieg Michael Krieger you retweeted
this and again follow Gabriel it’s linked to below I know it doesn’t seem
like it yet but central banks are very much losing
control of the narrative this will become very clear over the next 12
months you agree with this yeah I do very much so I really like Michael
Krieger Liberty Brett’s Krieg I think he’s at Liberty blitz and he I would
consider him you know an acquaintance a friend we just chatted if he’s been on
the show before I met him in person he’s a great guy he’s a good guy super cool
super on the level really great guy I’m probably way more out there than him but
he’s very he’s got his finger on the pulse and I really like his perspective
although I’m also I’m also more what you might call freedom like I’m more of a
freedom extremist but Mike has been talking about banking for a long time
because his of his story he was a trader 2008 happened he was absolutely
flabbergasted that the Federal Reserve was picking and choosing winners out of
the 2008 debacle and not letting market let the chips fall where they may
and he was absolutely stunned that they stepped in to save you know and they let
Lehman Brothers crash and they saved everybody else and it was this whole
thing where he was like shocked and that completely changed his career because he
realized oh my god this is like way more corrupt than I realized
and we’re gonna and so he changed his career and now it’s more of a
commentator he doesn’t doesn’t do you know as much in large-scale trading he’s
not involved in the banking industry directly anymore as far as I know and so
I think he and like I said he’s got his finger on the pulse of financial people
financial industry and community social environment culture let’s say finding a
finance right old fine I call it old finance right um and he’s specifically
the word he used in that tweet is narrative and that’s so important now
because people are attempting to understand a rapidly shifting landscape
through the lens of stories through the lens of you know everybody is everyone
has the stories that they tell themselves about the world and these
stories are memes in themselves in other words they spread and multiply and in
culture and they’re they’re shared and and altered and share it again and they
explode like a virus in culture and people dedicate mind space to these
stories and these these narratives right it’s a framework or context with which
you can understand a series of events that are happening that could be
unrelated this is what’s a mess my own needs to figure out with his show mr.
robot like dude just because there are events happened doesn’t make it a plot
or story so these events of the what the Federal Reserve’s messaging the Federal
Reserve’s actions recently we had a panic in the repo market which is the
overnight lending market between large institutions and basically what’s
happening there is it’s been happening for decades which is
that their financial izing their rehypothecation and repackaging these
loans and selling them to each other and then leveraging leveraging leveraging
leveraging and then when something moves so that’s basically like oh cool you
know I can when something let’s say it goes up one point cool I can actually
make ten points on them because I’ve leveraged it ten X right but what
happens is if there’s an outsize move a Black Swan as it were then boom
immediately everybody gets liquidated right people
either win a ton or you know make they say make but it’s really win it’s kind
of like gambling and or but really much more common is their account immediately
gets liquidated to the bottom and a lot of these let it’s because it’s lending
and the whole system is based on a series of promises this is the debt
paradigm there’s an oftentimes only promises at the base layer like there’s
no asset at the base it’s just it’s a loan that they’re experiencing that you
know somebody will pay back so it’s Promises Promises Promises and when that
goes away and the the bottom promised this person says I’m not gonna I’m not
gonna pay back that loan then everything collapses and vaporizes just like money
is created out of thin air by the Fed debt is extinguished back into thin air
instantly and with these type of situations with these debt markets
that’s what happens when there’s an outside out sighs moons so the repo rate
shot up from two point three percent or whatever to which is already high to
like ten and then people just in ten millions and enter billions were lost
and nobody could get a loan hope for an overnight thing so if the Fed hadn’t
have stepped in there would have been a much larger chain reaction instead of
just the traders losing their bets about on the debts it would have been a large
company billion dollar size companies not able to meet their payments from one
day to the next cuz overnight lending right so they wouldn’t they wouldn’t
have been able to pay and then there would’ve been a huge spate of
bankruptcies and the Fed considered its mandate it’s
completely illegal actually it’s an unconstitutional situation entirely it’s
totally a big giant scam where if you’re buddies you know if you’re golfing with
the guy then you’ll get the lungs so feds defense like oh the repo market
means okay cool we’ve just got a button here and this created sixty billion so
now you guys could play with this sixty billion and everything’s cool because
that was the shortfall they’re just kind of plugging the hole a hole in the dam
right so the dam is incredibly cracked after 2008 and they’ve just been
basically trying to plug plug plug plug plug and just and now really the cracks
are widening and Mike just pointed out that the narrative of oh were the good
guys we’re trying to help and sustain the economy and stuff so so many fewer
people believe that now that it’s be it’s we’re heading toward a crisis in
the near term you know I I I think the man average man on the street doesn’t
know about this stuff though oh no he’s specifically talking about
the professionals who base their daily decision-making in their day jobs on the
Federal Reserve’s actions if those people you know ten years ago they
didn’t really question it that much then there was the crisis and more and more
and more and more people have questioned it and now it’s reaching maybe a crisis
or or on what you would call the what’s that point called the tipping point
tipping point well it boils down to so what he’s saying and what you might be
saying here I don’t put words your mouth is that the the big financial players
are are gonna lose confidence in the United States dollar I mean because I
mean the solutions to all the problems for the last 11 years that’s just been
to print more money bail everybody out it’s been working best for the narrative
everyone believes in that narrative I don’t see people stop being believing in
that name in their eye but you see that you see that in the
next year happening it’s they’re gonna lose confidence in the DA I mean that’s
what it boils down to I think yeah I think I think that’s going to start
happening so basically like it’s a I think it’s like a domino effect a bit
where first you lose confidence in the
officials at the Fed then you or you lose confidence in a specific statement
then you lose confidence in the people making the statement then you lose
confidence in the fact that there’s an officer that’s even allowed to make that
decision then you lose confidence in the system that they’ve created that that is
in crisis and panic and and then you start basing your decisions on that and
you start buying say gold or whatever and selling your dollars and only once
the dollar once the once these realizations and the narrative shift has
already played out in the markets and begun to affect prices jobs industries
and stuff then finally want then finally it’ll trickle down to the man on the
street who’s like hey this orange used to cost a dollar and now it’s a dollar
seventy five wow that’s terrible I can’t feed my kid like that’s only
they’ll be the last in the last domino right so well I agree with you but yeah
in the next year I think the narrative shift will be really powerful and
available to see but it’s going to take another say four or whatever five in for
the the echoes of that to play out for me people been talking about this for so
long I think they’ll keep on finding ways to
pull it off negative interest we haven’t even gone into negative interest rates
yet they haven’t pulled that out of their butts yet in America I think they
will and it’s I think Japan is a great thing to look at is three lost decades
they basically took the socialist approach of paper over the crisis with
as much debt as you can and just prevent all of these zombie zaibatsu from going
out of business since I Basu is a large industrial concern they call or it’s
like a conglomerate it’s you know imagine you know 57 industrial companies
all under one umbrella is these large zaibatsu in Japan and basically they all
they all were going belly-up in 1989 and then that make it cheap and said oh well
we’re all Japanese and cool so let’s just all be friends and
here’s you know a couple hundred billion dollars worth a yen and just stay in
business and what happened was they hollowed out the economy people work
three jobs the-the-the the economy there’s absolutely bit in the toilet and
I’m and in in 1999 they called it the Lost Decade in 2009 they called it the
last two decades and now they call it the last three decades and that’s what I
think we will see except now we have Bitcoin I don’t think there you’ve got
three decades I think they’ve got seven nine years or something well I see we do
have a Bitcoin but who is we here I think the people a Japan they loyal II
fuck they loyal II worship the yen still they still buy buy buy buy buy over
there they’re still spending spending sure they might not be creating all
these new innovative businesses as as much as they would have if they would
have done the correct thing economically but they’re still living their lives
it’s still pretty Pleasant place and everything um but if the same situation
we’re happy to the United States I think there were so many people that would
just go with the flow they’ve got their big house they’ve got their big car
they’ve got that nice technology they could buy a lot of nice clothes and
they’ll just do their thing but there will be some of us that will know better
that will not want to work three jobs to get that big house for three garages
that will opt in the Bitcoin so I never and this is I guess a good question for
you I don’t see hyper Bitcoin ization happening I don’t see the majority of
people ever getting into Bitcoin I think the Fiat some form of the US dominated
fiat world will continue to exist but the smart people will get into Bitcoin I
don’t think everyone will get into Bitcoin yeah you know it makes me think
of something that oh gosh what was that guy’s name there’s an author out there
you know I don’t I don’t recall his name quite an interesting guy I’ve never any
of his books but I’ve seen speak a few times and he’s talking about something
which was also mentioned in the sovereign individual interesting book
from 22 years ago where they predicted a lot of the stuff that’s already happened
in much more in the future too they were speaking about a bit of a bit more
striation in as a result of the empowerment of the
individual through computation and networking technologies and so the idea
what it is is that what this other author called it is the barista class
right we’re people who either aren’t intelligent enough or not hardworking
enough not disciplined enough whatever it is or unluck too unlucky and working
a more manual job or you know blue collar yeah yeah baristas right so it’s
basically whatever robots haven’t been able to get to yet they’re able to fill
in but it’s sort of bottom of the rung work and then a large gap between the
barista class and a technocratic class or tart or a technical technologically
savvy class and this is actually very similar to how European society in
America to those younger country back then but 18th century you look at the
18th century and you had gentlemen and it wasn’t just a matter of birth right
it wasn’t just a matter to be a gentleman and say English society in
1780 it wasn’t just a matter of you were a nobleman you know like a son of a
baron or something like that you could be the son of a rich merchant and still
be a gentleman the idea was that you had been educated and that you you know you
had you were a man of means and you would have a valet the valet would be
what we would call a barista class now right this is somebody who maybe
couldn’t read and write but they could lug your trunk around or you know what I
guess you call you a carriage and I think that’s definitely the direction
we’re heading so basically I mean it’s similar now it’s just that the haves are
gonna go from you know this tiny tiny elite of say 300 families or whatever it
is and that that’s gonna explode and be tens of millions but that’s still only
1% of the population you know maybe up to 10% could be a hundred of several
hundred million but then you know every other people might be left in the dust
just due to their natural abilities however I do believe rising tide lifts
all boats and the burst of class will live more comfortably then maybe
upper-middle-class of today nevertheless I do see that gap reforming again
because in the 18th century he could have a sword cane and a gun on you it
was really hard to you know attack like there was this power was a lot less
centralized we all came of age in the 20th century when power really peaked in
the other authoritarians in the 70s it was the peak of authoritarian power and
since then it’s been decentralizing and bitcoin is an extremely individual
empowering technology and so we’re heading more back into this paradigm of
its well really you know fiat is the quote-unquote money of slaves it’s the
currency slaves silver is the money of gentlemen and gold is the money of kings
it’s the same it’s it’s gonna be it’s it is already now but it’s gonna be that
much more visible Bitcoin will be the money of well I actually wrote a novel
six years ago five years ago I finished my novel and
it takes it’s a science fiction novel it’s called feedforward and it’s about
AI and marketing but it takes place in the near future and I call them shakers
basically the idea is anybody with enough get up and go and a bit of smarts
and a ability and a little luck okay can become an entrepreneur and that’s
actually where we are now where you can become a blogger and make a living by
anybody who’s a self-starter and really going for it and trying to do their own
thing like Adam is what I call a shaker in my book cuz like movers and shakers
right they’re the people who are really doing stuff in society I call them
shakers and that’s this exact same thing it’s the opposite of the barista class
it’s the entrepreneur class the people with them with a little bit of means at
least and a lot of maybe natural talent and certainly discipline so I want to
say you know it’s the future is really bright for everybody but I definitely
see much greater amounts of what leftist like to call inequality even though
everybody will have ax ax s the access will be much more democratic than ever
before because people will be coming online smartphones will be five bucks
you know all that stuff anyone who has the desire and a a modicum or
enough ability to enter the world the world marketplace will adopt Bitcoin and
become a shaker and the shaker and shakers is not like businessmen and
entrepreneurs as we thought of them in the 90s say it was kind of a special
thing like wow you’re an entrepreneur is a little bit like rare now it’s already
kinda normal ish but it’s gonna be like a actual serious class in the future
where this 15% or 22% of the populace are 40 even are just are just
entrepreneurs and if you work for somebody else I mean literally you’re a
slave and so if you’re smart and you want to become a shaker you’re gonna be
saving in Bitcoin and then it’s at that point you’re gonna be like hi thanks so
much for this opportunity I’ve really enjoyed working for you I’m gonna go on
my own now that’s gonna be really normal and so but we’re gonna see the striation
if you’re a little bit mentally disabled whoever you’ll be a barista and but I’m
thinking that there’s gonna be some amazing technological advances that will
make those people’s lives you know comfortable to but they won’t have means
they won’t be able to start a lot of stuff this is a beautiful golden age of
the 2020s is just starting out now what you have tried the people from ER the
show know what he described as a shaker I describe as people in motion they’re
in they’re not just sitting there they are in motion this is the time to get in
motion this is the time to get into Bitcoin there gonna be a lot of people
complaining to elizabeth warren in eight years four years saying we didn’t know
it again the bitcoin bail us out take their money anyone can get into Bitcoin
now anyone could be a shaker anyone can be in motion but the majority of people
will ignore it and they will want someone else to take care of them and
and live the but still as you say the rising tide lifts all boats
they’re not going to know it but their lives are gonna be so much better in
five years ten years then now because of the technology that the shakers and the
people in motion it’s just the you know in income inequality I don’t believe in
it either it’s is pure envy there’s always gonna be inequality in a free
market system and you shouldn’t worry about how much money Bill Gates has you
really should you should be trying to be in motion be a shaker do your own thing
so you don’t so you’re not a slave these people
end up being slaves to envy and then they end up being slaves to target or
her or wherever they end up working it’s just and this is just a great time to be
alive in this golden age where you everyone’s got a chance everyone’s got a
chance to get into Bitcoin and to do their own thing right now because of
Technology so you really you sum them so beautifully what I what I try to say on
this show all the time so you see pal that like button we’re
all the same we’re all the same page this is good this is all right
let us let’s move on to well you you you hit on up do you want to mention QE 5
you you you hit on it a little bit you think there’s gonna be a QE 5 I mean
yeah it’s already started this repo thing is QE 5 they’re trying not to name
it that it’s just more injection and saving picking winners and losers so I
mean the losers are anybody that you know you and me right in that situation
so luckily we have an excellent life raft but um you know so no I we don’t
need to talk about it they’re there let’s just say the expansion that you
know and the repair on the dam is now long in the tooth sauce solid ten years
if not 11 and it’s it’s reaching a breaking point soon I think next year
it’s gonna be a huge year of crazy shifts we’re not gonna understand it as
much until the next year and then through the 20s I don’t actually see the
20s as the golden age I’ve more see the 30s because the 20s is when everything
comes out and everyone gets excited but it’s so new and crazy and it’s still
distributing that it’s just shock it’s like the twenties it’s gonna be a
roaring 20s but there’s gonna be crazy things happening in new incredibly new
things and then the 30s is when we’ll have that base layer of technology to
lift those those boats now I think of the 30s more as a golden age but we’ll
see it’s a good theory we’re gonna have to we’re gonna have to play around with
these new technologies that are coming out and some of them are gonna be
earth-shattering some are gonna are gonna bust for a while – we’ll have some
some booms that that’s that’s a good way of looking at it I will say you
mentioned before the show IPO implosion we just had yeah are you referring to we
work yes okay so we’ll still have in the next
decade we’ll still have people trying to pull off these types of things to where
they say they’ve got some new Gregor okay actually I think there will be less
because for a few different reasons one of the reasons why these manias and
bubbles are enabled is Fiat right so there’s all this new currency that’s
created and given to the chummy’s of the people with their finger on the on the
trigger at the Fed and you know the banks give it to their buddies and golf
etc so what I see happening in the 20s is a mass vaporization of bezel
now bezel is a back-formation word from embezzlement it’s not it I don’t it’s
funny how that happens with with words in languages you know English for sure
and bezel there wasn’t actually a bezel word before that as far as I know but um
it’s a back formation it’s the idea of the portion of the economy which is
derived from fraud essentially this is a term I believe Mir ship a pesky we might
have come up with it well maybe he borrowed it and just that’s where I
found it but um bezel is feoh all of the fiat all the debt the stuff that I’ve
mentioned before which is created a thin air and extinguishes back into thin air
that’s bezel bezels all the extra hot air in the economy that’s not based on
anything real now you can take bezel and do real work and create some wealth with
it and use it as a leg up like Amazon or something
even though Amazon is still fueled by a lot of bezel but there’s this portion of
the economy which is fraudulent all those ICO projects is bezel but
really the Fed and traditional central banking is like a bezel machine and that
is a key concept to understand because I believe that is the main financial
transform ahead in the next decade is mass
distinguishment bezel and people becoming hyper allergic to bezel and
just having no patience for anymore so IPOs are a perfect example the Silicon
Valley bubbles and stocks that is a perfect example of bezel basically the
central banks create a bunch of currency and give it out to their buddies and the
buddies are like let’s put this into something that we can try to make a
return on and stocks are the number one you know method to do that so there’s a
you know you have to do is go back to this classic sketch that everybody knows
now from 1912 right before they created the Federal Reserve you know some
intelligent editor at a magazine in the states had their illustrator drawed
picture of a giant octopus with big sharp teeth sucking coins out of all the
institutions and barfing them out into Wall Street into the stock market and
that’s exactly what you know it goes on with bezel and they blow up these giant
buzz bubbles full of hot air and then it just extinguishes we’re gonna see mass
extinguishment and mass vaporization of bezel and frauds over the next 10 years
it’s going to be a huge shift societally and culturally where people will be so
skeptical of these things and there won’t be the gambling because because
there won’t be as much fiha out there for them to spend on it because the fiat
will be depreciating so fast but they won’t even like the whole fiat machine
will be in the process of collapsing and people will become you know investors
will become far more conservative and so the malinvestment crisis that has been
building for a hundred and six years will vaporize and the entire culture
will shift not on a dime but over just a few short years the entire culture will
be different and all the young Jen’s II will be real confused by everything that
came before and it will seem normal to them
but Millennials and everybody older it’s gonna be a massive cultural shift it’s a
very logical a scenario that you put out there not that I necessarily agree with
every point of it but it is it makes no sense what I was thinking though is that
we will enter such new there’ll be so many new technologies that
nanotechnology all sorts of that the investors won’t even understand what
some of this stuff is and some of them will be so excited about it and there’ll
be all these little companies popping up that are going to be doing the nanotech
you and the self-driving cars doing is that people will be throwing money at
them but if there’s not as much money out there then that won’t happen so
that’s that’s that’s your your take no I would I would say that they’re not the
two those two sort of patterns of behavior or actions are not mutually
exclusive you can have tons and tons of speculation but just have a generally
more careful level of inspection you know the we work prospectus for their
IPO was absolutely retarded and anybody who would look into know what number was
ready yes a lot of people read it but soft excuse me
soft Bank did not read it so now they’re five billion in the hole because I think
they did read it and they were just like you know what nobody else is gonna read
this and they’re just gonna pour money this free money because they don’t know
what to do with it and then the tide went out and they were the naked ones so
I think that you’re gonna have situations where you’re not gonna have
unicorns like that you’re gonna have scrappy startups like you were
describing where it’s like hey we just did our you know technology demo in
Pasadena and we’ve got nuclear it’s you know low low nuclear reaction or you
know whatever new technology you got it totally works we’ve got it so you know
jump on board and I think we will see more icos
but there it’s going to be a bit more tempered certainly bitcoiners you know
won’t be sending out their big going to somebody else’s address easily
like in 27 as easily as 2017 but there still will be plenty of speculation and
plenty of investment going on but it won’t be fueled by that debt underneath
it you know Silicon Valley VC companies love to say we don’t we don’t really do
that much debt mostly invest in proceeds and capital
that we’ve developed but it’s like okay dude you know hmm a lot of the companies
that you’re investing in had access to debt and that they won’t have they would
never have had that in 1915 they would never been able to get a loan for a
bridge loan for six million for the year just to get them across until they have
another million users that they wouldn’t have they just wouldn’t have gotten it
so I think that we’re gonna get into a place where there will be plenty of
speculation but there will be the but lending and interest rates will be far
higher so your idea must meet a much higher bar and sooner people are not
going to have maybe quite as much patience for a you know an Amazon to
take 18 years to reach breakeven they’re not going to have that be able to borrow
that much debt to do it well speaking of the tide going out and revealing
Softbank tell us about the cruise you’re on the Bitcoin cruise from in Southern
California tell what happened who was on it well I got to hang out with Thomas
from you know mad bitcoins for the Royal crypto Network but the very first time I
really chose with him yeah well I’ve never been to Bitcoin conference just a
couple of meetups I had spoken that Neal would fines meet up in northern England
right at the peak of the bubble in 2017 in December right around Christmas I
went to his meet up in New Castle it was really fun but I had never been to a
Bitcoin conference before this was my first one and the ugly old Bitcoin goat
was very kind enough to invite me to speak I spoke about the Bitcoin meme
that was the title of my talk and I talk about memes and culture the general word
not just image means but of general word of Nimes which is sort
of any viral idea in culture and but it was very special because I got to hang
out with Thomas with whom I’ve been doing shows for five years and we had an
amazing time we really connected I was up there with a buddy of mine we had a
great time and just to meet everybody the conference was amazing people were
so cool it was a really intimate like the rest of the cruise there were
non-conference people so that was really strange you know to be around a bunch of
straight stuck on a boat with strangers that I wasn’t a big fan of that although
the food that was pretty good and I really loved the conference attendees so
everybody that I met out there I love you guys Wow so the conference was on a
boat that had people that were non-conference on it it was it was not
just it was a giant cruise ship there must have been 4,000 of us or 2,000
2,000 front there’s a lot it seemed like zillions and there was there was not
there was just a few dozen of us in the conference did you get any of the non
the normies in the Bitcoin did you get any of those cruisers yeah I did
actually I have a couple conversations and they were so receptive they’re like
yeah you have my nephew is but you know cuz there’s enough people into it now
where everybody knows somebody and it’s it’s the boy is it a ripe like field out
there when you plant a seed or whatever it’s just so fertile well you know right
now who is buying bitcoins people it doesn’t appear the regular retail
investor the regular guy he’s buying it right now yet the price is written
pretty well it since January is going up quite a bit not that I care about the
Fiat price one Bitcoin equals one Bitcoin remember that found that like
button but uh what do you who do you think’s buying this now or is anyone buy
it what do you think about the retail market and newbies coming in certainly
people are buying it I mean on average at this price if it stays flat that
means you know 15 million 16 million dollars a day is actually being injected
into the Bitcoin economy because of the you know inflation rate the minor
subsidy is creating eighteen hundred bitcoins a day right now not that
they’re selling them all on the market right away but on average you know
you’ve got to have you know about twelve fifteen
million bucks coming in new money new brand new capital being invested
directly into in bitcoins not not the company’s not stocks not anything that
actually big people actually purchasing it from other people new money coming in
so that’s actually pretty impressive I mean you look at a month and you know
that’s whatever five hundred million bucks a half a billion coming in flowing
into the ecosystem every month that’s pretty impressive even if it’s the price
stays flat so I think it’s everybody I think that actually there are retail
investors and people are just quiet about it
like they should be that’s that they should be definitely but again it’s more
close it’s an institutional and everybody there’s anecdotal evidence out
there that you know people who are involved in businesses that deal with
Bitcoin people that I know that sell uh you know hardware wallets they have note
that their business has dropped off a cliff so it does to them it appears
there are not a lot of retail people just common Joes and Janes that are
coming in as much as that we’re coming in back in in 2017 and stuff you know
there’s there’s well I think I mean yes there was obviously a large influx at
that time as shown because there’s a little a little liquidity if a lot of
people flood in the price will go up disproportionately but if you as far as
the hard word just remember that every new person is coming in and yes the
resources are better so they can learn faster but still they’re on a path of
learning it’s not like when we came in five six years ago and we had to really
do a lot of research ourselves in order to become versed in it now you can read
some books that are very well-written that describe the economics technology
but it still takes a solid year to like get up to speed on like what do I do
with this thing that’s on coinbase you know or whatever like how do I really
secure my legacy and make sure that my nephew can my son can get you know have
it if I die and it’s come it’s a complex thing and it takes time maybe even for
us oldsters you know old coiners you know there’s a little there’s always new
security things always new things to learn and intense stuff that’s happening
and more and more always you know and each new person has that at
least like a year or whatever of learning and they’re all staggered at
different times so you way of speaking about in newness we’re at we were in
Bitcoin second decade you wanted to talk about Bitcoin second decade yeah
actually this is a good segue you know we’re talking about how many people out
there are coming in and how many have it and there’s a big that nobody knows and
nobody killed no but it’s certainly bitcoins price and adoption curve
metrics you know transactions all that stuff follows you know it’s it’s
obviously geometric or exponential or you know it’s it obviously follows a
mathematical adoption curve I actually am there was a recent article
said remember who did it but it’s like it was like a square root chart of the
of the of the price prices that you never were seen again you know when the
last time we saw five dollars last time it’s a hundred dollars but it’s all
within this narrow band because it’s a it’s an adoption curve right where
there’s a certain amount of people coming in and the more there are the
more come you know on a numeric level if you got a hundred to go to a hundred and
fifty is fifty percent if you got a billion people go to you know you’re
adding five hundred million in that that same proportion so it’s a proportional
thing where it’s going up by a percentage a relatively consistent
percentage the number of users so there’s a lot of you know argumentation
some people say that there’s five million three million users out there
people who have owned any amount of Bitcoin and some people are saying it’s
70 million well 70 million is 1% of the world’s
population and on an exponential chart and a classic adoption curve 1% is
halfway along the curve so if we are talking about a decade for the first
half conceivably if we went at the exact same pace we would reach full adoption
of all of humanity after another ten years
now obviously the rate could change and all this different stuff it’s just a
prediction and things like that but it is interesting to know that particular
fact that we’re a pro probably approach at some point we will
hit 1% of the world’s population for sure we’ve got a hit 70 million at some
point and I wouldn’t be surprised if it happens very soon if we’ve already or if
we’re already approximately a 50 or 70 million I don’t think we’re it’s 70 yet
but that is an excellent point about when we hit 70 when we hit 1% that’s
halfway on that on that chart so that is I never thought of it that way that is
learned something every day people that’s why I got this dude on the show
all right let us saw we got some other let’s go a little beyond Bitcoin here
you have anything to say about Hong Kong hmm yes Hong Kong Paris Venezuela
Argentina and what’s the Oh Catalonia Turkey is there mass demonstrations in
Turkey – no no demonstrations ok mass demonstration no there’s there’s
definitely enough swing in consistent mass demonstrations it’s not like oh you
know a hundred thousand people came to the main square it was a big deal and
and the game for the authorities the jitter no this is every Saturday I mean
look at look at France the yellow vest movement is not going anywhere they are
very angry and they’re speaking out it’s a it’s it’s a real problem from the
ground the people getting harder to govern and control China is having is
gonna have so many more issues on their hands they already have been cracking
down on huge demonstrations for decades I mean they have so much unrest that we
just don’t hear anything about and they don’t even hear about it if they’re not
nearby because obviously there’s a media blackout and they have so much control
but I wouldn’t be surprised well Hong Kong is a bit of a canary in the coal
mine for China I think we’re see this trend continued in any
jurisdiction that is dreaming its populace which is nearly all of them
I think this trend is going to be on the rise and what you’re gonna see is
capitulation the people have understood their power and you they’ll never forget
it I don’t believe that these demonstrations can be pacified and I
don’t believe that they can be cracked down on because of cellphones
everybody filming everything one second can you hear me again yeah yeah no it
was fine just crack a little everything can be captured and shared with millions
and millions and millions of people within minutes of it happening you can’t
get away with it there’s no delay there anymore before if you wanted to run an
authoritarian dictatorship safe 60s right if you’re in the third world in
the 60s man nobody’s got any tech to stop you there’s no reporters there
there’s maybe one and you just kill him no problem or or maybe there’s an
article in The Wall Street Journal about this you know Uganda or something
nowadays you’ve got 4G I mean China is trying to utilize the technologies in
order to increase their power and use and create a surveillance state and it’s
it’s turning out to be a lot more difficult maybe than they predicted
because human beings tend to think for themselves if they’re given the tools
and so I think we’re gonna see a huge amount of capitulation in the near term
then in the next five years we’re gonna see some huge shifts and we’re gonna see
countries breaking apart or we’re gonna see blocks and political alliances
dissolving and reforming in different formations these are all the Canaries in
the coal mine good and Hong Kong is a big one definitely it’s not going to
stop it’s gonna get worse and worse and worse until finally China backs off they
will the people are gonna win that one Wow Wow there’s a lot of people are
seeing the opposite that China will smack them
down and Dave oh they will but oh no they’re gonna try they’re gonna try it’s
gonna get really ugly and they’re gonna but that’s gonna that’s going to be the
worst press that’s gonna be terrible marketing that’s terrible marketing for
China the threats are horrible marketing everyone’s gonna hate your guts Wow
so that the people will not capitulate it will be eventually the government’s
that capitulate you say it’s not even a very like not even eventually it’s like
soonish around the corner soon as five years within five years the next five
years are gonna see mass capitulation I would love that
I I would I I keep that I keep the faith I keep the hope we shall see what
happens I think next year there’s going to be some some high-level meetings
there panicking you know these guys in Davos and the
Bilderberg those people have lost control once again the narrative people
they can’t they can’t get away with their lives and their coercion and their
fraud anymore and they’re floundering they’re maybe not getting lynched in the
street quite yet but I think that there are gonna be negotiating with some other
people and next year I think we’re gonna see some big shifts even out of the top
echelon so it won’t only be you know the Pope coming from the people in the
street they’ll be both alright where we are getting toward the end of the show
here I want to see if there are any other topics I have where I did you want
to say anything about the gab article that I sent you how they are I mean
they’re trying to go in a different direction than these other social media
companies free speech money yeah they’re using Bitcoin they are they’re promoting
Bitcoin they want defiance instead of compliance and again you’re you’ve said
you think defiance is going to win out I see you everybody I see so many people
willing to comply I see so many corporations will include course light
yeah that’s the norm right now but yes it will flip gab is on the is on the
cutting edge of it and yet that there once again like a like a canary in the
coal mine right there they tried to deflect the platform this
company and I think more and more shakers are gonna stand up for
themselves by claiming their power and saying you know what no I don’t agree
with that these tools exist in order to create Liberty among among
humanity and so we’re just going to use them and fuck you excuse my language but
that’s it’s it’s that’s a very specific usage of that it’s it’s a there’s a term
fuck you money right this is Nicholas Taleb right he’s talking about having
the freedom to say no and that this this is what I believe is going to be a huge
movement and it’s gonna freak out the people holding the reins so much that
they’re gonna start capitulating all over the place in different ways
different levels yeah but they’re against our people they’re never gonna
have fu money I think it’s just I think it’s the 20/80 rule baby this is what I
always talk about I think it’s gonna be the 20 percenters that are gonna over
time wake up say you know we don’t want to be part of this matrix anymore we’re
opting into the Bitcoin overlay where we’re not gonna be part of the Machine
you you guys can have your fun with Facebook coin with being monitored with
all the called convenience we’ll go our own way we’ll be so many people their
whole definition of life is they must work for someone else
they must have someone else take care of them and I just think there’s certain
people that will never want to leave that comfortable womb of yeah yeah I
think 2080 is probably a good conservative estimate of that yeah say a
couple billion shakers which is a huge and I mean the amount of wealth that you
can creative about with to 2 billion self-starters and you know maybe 6
billion people who are just kicking it and you know just watch this in TV and
some popcorn making some espressos and it’s all good
there we go that’s that’s that’s gonna be our world very soon all right any
precautionary thoughts anything that was left out you wanted to add anything
interesting going on yeah I kind of want to touch back on my talk on the cruise
yeah yeah I was talking about memes and I was talking about something called a
haul our key which is a idea of a natural hierarchy
that which each piece has sort of an echo of the whole like a fractal but
it’s maybe a different type of hole so it’s kind of these related ideas that
form a hierarchy of some type and if there’s a there’s the structure of the
ideas is very important so keep looking very closely at the narrative that is
underlies people’s statements look at the context what are people saying you
know what’s the meta level right I was talking to some guys on Twitter today
about I was trying to emphasize that Trump part of the reason in fact
possibly the main reason why he won and why he’s able to be to grab the
zeitgeist right now is his ability to tweet so effectively he’s an incredible
tweeter and his tweets are are really defined like as defining their narrative
defining he uses the tweets very specifically to to advance his narrative
and unless you can do that in this day and age you’ll never succeed as a
politician in the West in the developed countries you have to be an amazing
tweeter or you’ll never succeed and you know people were saying well a lot of
Americans don’t like that and on Twitter they were responding to me they don’t
like that and they they’re not on Twitter and I’m I was trying to
emphasize that both of those points are so completely irrelevant number one if
you’re not on Twitter you’ll still see those tweets the tweet because the
mainstream media are now way behind the curve and they are reporting on tweets
which are statements by individuals that cannot be spun right that’s why it’s so
powerful the the the field the landscape political landscape and the the media
landscape when I say media I mean the communications landscape among mass
humanity has changed absolutely flipped on its head it’s so
different now than it was 10 years ago because we have because any individual
who gets any spotlight on them which of course is always politicians but anybody
to you and me Adam on Twitter on Twitter you have a nearly you know censorship
free platform obviously there’s it’s not quite like that and eventually will will
be 100% free with things decentralized alternative the next step beyond gap
right but even with Twitter it’s so incredibly
powerful this micro blogging platform where I am making the statement and you
can try to spin it in your article but anyone can easily instantly like you
know in a second go and see the source statement that I made and nobody can
change that is totally different from how the 20th century was and people love
to fight it and they want their old institutions that they they want the
trust that they had they want the comfort that they used to have in those
old institutions and that’s never coming back the world has changed forever it
will never go back to that short of an epochal you know like a mess situation
where everything gets the infrastructure gets destroyed we’re never going back to
that trusted media intermediary anymore now everyone has their own voice and
you’re gonna have to judge their positions in there and what they’re
doing based on the words that they project out into the world times have
changed so when you are looking at those
statements that people make consider the context consider the meta levels what is
the narrative that they’re trying to advance and what is the context from
which they’re trying to express something and what is the demographic
that they’re trying to reach what’s the target demographic who are they trying
to trigger right Trump is great at combining
appeasing his base and triggering his detractors so he’s got this great
balance of troll and whatever hero so and that that’s what kind of a lot of
people are trying to do with their personal marketing so really look
carefully and really look to identify any fallacious elements in that
structure where it’s like oh well you’ve made the
statement but actually it relies on two totally contradicting concepts so I
highly recommend that people who want to know more about that in relation to
Bitcoin especially go and check out my talk on YouTube or try to get the link
to that yes I was gonna ask you that question man you just maybe as some very
powerful stuff you just said I want to watch your speech now so is it has it
been uploaded is it somewhere um definitely the full uh everything was
uploaded in one video I believe and the separate videos are either on the way or
just went up I need to check Arriva so you’ll send me the full link I’ll link
to the full cruise you guys can find it in there I’ll try to like say what time
it was on at and everything was it this is a very interesting stuff I love it I
think that’s a great way to end the show get everybody enthused about washing
that all right Gabriel Devine thank you for your time today he his Twitter’s
link to below he tweets out a lot of good stuff yeah he goes way beyond me he
goes way beyond Michael Krieger also but everyone’s a unique beast in their own
way and some people really love that stuff that I don’t talk about here but
he definitely talks about it so again that’s this week of Bitcoin we bring you
the best guest in the frickin space like Gabriel Devine every Friday you can
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  1. My understanding from my accountant is that in order to be considered to “receive” a fork or airdrop requires the owner to take steps to claim them. Until you claim the asset it will not count as income. The scope of the ruling is in line with the handling of stock options and land contract sales. Uncle Sam gets his cut upfront. The only good thing with this announcement is it may motivate more people to demand the end of the income tax system. Transaction tax anyone?

  2. I’ve seen many of Clif High’s predictions come true in mind blowing ways. He is wrong A LOT and will admit to it. His premise is based on the idea that all humans are psychic to one degree or another (which is true… that’s why you can think of someone and they call you). I myself have experienced premonitions. Law of attraction is real. The narratives that we hold deep down within us are self-fulfilling prophecies unless we learn to change the narrative. Sometimes easier said than done. Pounded that like button.

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