Get a Job. – Radeon VII Review

you know what Andy fans I actually feel bad for you for ten years you’ve had to give your hard-earned money to either Intel or Nvidia or both if you wanted to build a top-of-the-line gaming r8 AMD just hasn’t been able to get both their CPU and GPU business units firing at the same time but perhaps that all changes today AMD stunned the industry as a whole when they unveiled their GeForce RTX competitor the Radeon seven one month ago and then they stunned me in particular when it arrived in our office on time for their target launch date of February 7th it isn’t it beautiful it is and it’s got RGB but is it good enough to pressure Nvidia to lower their higher than ever prices for enthusiast gaming GPUs well we’ll find out soon thanks to war thunder the realistic free-to-play online game for sponsoring this video check out the link below to get either a premium tank or aircraft and three days of premium play for free [Music] let’s begin with the bad news for those of you who like living on the bleeding edge AMD 7 nanometer Vega offering has no support for ray tracing nor does it have any kind of equivalent to invidious deep learning optimized tensor course now AMD has said that they’re looking into implementing something similar to D LSS super sampling in the long term using Microsoft’s new direct ml API but only time will tell if they get that done and what kind of performance hit we’d be looking at what we’ve got here is actually if you look closely it’s right in the name basically a die shrunk and optimized Vegas sequel but that’s not necessarily a bad thing let’s take a closer look right out of the gate it’s clear that AMD considers cooling to be of the utmost importance while the previous gen Vegas 64 used a blower design the Radeon 7 3 cooling fans on a large not to mention heavy vapor chamber cooler just like it to our TX competitors speaking of which not only as the Radeon 7/8 taller card than the RT X 2080 that AMD has positioned it against it’s also got twin 8 pin PCI Express power connectors to allow it to suck up more juice come to think of it that’s kind of weird normally die shrinks come with a power savings ah right so as far as we can tell they basically put their entire power budget savings towards cranking the clock speeds up on this thing interesting so ok then an overclocked and evolved Vega I can dig it did they do anything else to differentiate it from last gen oh right yeah they did how does double the HBM 2 memory at double the bandwidth sound to put that into perspective the Radeon 7 has faster memory than any of the GTX Titans or r-tx Titans for that matter but will that massive memory bandwidth and significant core clock increase make up for the loss of a handful of stream processors and will its resulting overall performance make up for the lack of rate singer/dancer course at this price to find out we’ve brought out both our Intel and AMD gaming test benches to pit it head-to-head against not only the r-tx twenty eighty and twenty atti but also the Vegas 64 to see just what impact those compromises had on the cards performance so as is tradition by now AMD seems to do worse and DirectX 11 titles than Nvidia but maintains an edge or trades blows with team green whenever DirectX 12 is in play which extends to Far Cry 5 and especially csgo where our RTX 2080 gets beaten by a pretty significant margin when we throw synthetics into the mix we see a reversal of the DirectX 11 and 12 performance from earlier which come to think of it is why we stopped using synthetic benchmarks years ago I mean this isn’t even this isn’t even representative of real-world performance Anthony was the one who brought them back I think I’m gonna have a word with them when we’re done this video about just killing them again once and for all anyway moving on to productivity we’ve got more tradition with AMD’s Radeon seven-pole ahead of even the 2080 ti in longer blender renders while falling far behind in v-ray in Lux mark the seventh straight up embarrasses Nvidia across the board but then inspect view perf which gives us a broader look at its workstation chops we’ve got a game of leapfrog going on so workloads that are particularly memory hungry like katiya energy medical and siemens NX show pretty strong wins for AMD but in some cases again eclipse even the 2080 ti while nvidia takes the crown in workloads that require raw compute strength sometimes again by broad margins when we look at thermals things get a little interesting now traditionally GPU temperatures are measured by a sensor at the edge of the die and this is the temperature we’re showing you guys right now but AMD has actually doubled the number of sensors on the radio in seven and both the fan speed and boost controls are mated to what they’re calling the junction temperature with a target of 110 degrees Celsius so the TLDR then is that the junction is highest reading out of all 64 sensors and they claim that by doing things this way they can squeeze more efficiency out of the GPU unfortunately that also means that the fans begin to ramp up much sooner than you might be used to at a junction temperature of 95 degrees and he does say though that you can increase this to 105 in their wot man software without any risk of damaging the card speaking of wot men we found that we couldn’t really push the core clocks up at all without running into issues with either early thermal throttling or general instability so this supports our pre overclocked hypothesis but we will have to wait for more mature drivers and for partner boards with more robust power delivery before we can say anything conclusively so verdict time then given our results and the Radeon seven 700 dollar price tag we’re kind of inclined to agree with Nvidia CEO and curiously dr. Lisa Seussical Jenson Huang it’s a bit underwhelming yes for the same price as a reference RT X 2080 you get similar performance in traditional games but and videos overall feature set is simply more robust maybe you don’t care about real time rate racing or maybe you don’t care about GeForce experience or maybe you don’t care about Nvidia superior Hardware h.264 encoder but take it all together odds are you’ll care about at least one of invidious features so in our minds then the Radeon 7 to beat the RT X xx 80s price not match it and the frustrating thing is that if it weren’t for the massive HBM 2 frame buffer they probably could have the word on the street is that just shy of half of the cost of this card is in that 16 gigs of memory that depending on the game might never be utilized more than 75% now if we had to guess we’d say what probably happened here was that rather than re-engineering a gaming tuned card with eight or twelve gigs of memory and I don’t know more stream processors or something am recycled their enterprise compute card the radio and instinct mi 50 which would also explain the excellent productivity numbers whatever the reason though that compromise means that while the Radeon seven is an excellent maybe even ideal card for content creators by day gamers by night or really anyone who uses OpenCL a fair bit the value proposition against team green is merely okay for peer gamers don’t get me wrong this gives us a choice in the market for sure and I’m I’m super glad that AMD released it today it’s just not quite the price or performance disrupter that we were all hoping for in the wake of invidious stiff r-tx tax and as it stands it looks like we’re just gonna have to live with digging deeper into our pockets for our graphics cards from now on thanks to war thunder for sponsoring this video war thunder is the realistic free-to-play vehicle combat game and you can fight with millions of players from all over the world in combined arms battles in the air over land and at sea it includes 1200 historically accurate tanks aircraft helicopters and ships from the 1930s all the way to the 1990s it’s available for PC ps4 and Xbox one and you can join the battle today by clicking on the link below to get a free premium tank or aircraft and three days of premium time as a bonus for registering so thanks for watching guys if you disliked this video you can hit that button but if you liked it hit like get subscribed or maybe consider checking out where to buy the stuff we featured at the link in the video description also down there is our merch store which has cool shirts like this one and our community forum which you guys should totally join even AMD’s uncle doesn’t like it

100 thoughts on “Get a Job. – Radeon VII Review”

  1. I find it weird that raytracing is an nvidia/microsoft thing right now, but the xbox and ps5 will support ray tracing and use AMD hardware.

    I feel like there is a huge conspiracy here. Also, fuck, man Im just confused at this point. Fuck it Im going to bed

  2. Still leaning on Nvidia even though I roll with an R7 1700 because:

  3. RADEON VII It’s worth it’s price RTX Not so much since only 3-4 games has real time ray tracing

  4. 4k is no longer something to be slept on anymore. It's been there for quite a while. And they need to realize that. How could you advertise your product to run 4k games when the latest titles won't reach it with yor latest top of the line hardware. Any one could get their hands on a 4k monitor only to realize that none of his games could run smoothly and he has to upgrade. Only to realize that he has to pay a premium. 4k is everywhere.
    One more thing. They shouldn't encourage overclocking on these products I think its an immature move whilst i still think they should keep the overclocking potential for everyone. But advertising it is immature because that's their business. Not the consumer.
    I just can't stand how expensive it is to build a 4k gaming rig.

  5. I want to buy this card, but NVIDIA has the better video encoding and many other features that I really like. I have an AMD CPU, but I think I will pass on Radeon for now.

  6. Absolutely silly that they reduced the number of compute units and therefore stream processors compared to Vega 64. At the very least they should have matched Vega 64.

    With Vega 64 being available at $300 now, the VII is impossible to recommend. Stunned there haven't been any price drops in the VII, surely they want to sell at least of couple of these things before Navi, right??

  7. LTT you should revisit this card, the updated drivers have really increased performance on the VII.

  8. US folks complaining theyre the same price, meanwhile over here in Australia the VII is $1200 dollars and the comparable 2080 is like $2400 dollars.

    Fuck our electronics pricing, but yeah, that makes the VII a no brainer.

  9. hey maby if you want to get a gpu on time just wait till 300 thousand people pre-order it then get it its better than waiting another month for the gpu

  10. It’s funny to read the comments about people arguing who’s better Nvidia and AMD, lets take that anger somewhere else like I don’t know….Epic store exclusives.

  11. I'm glad for this card just because it can be a versatile gpu for productivity and gaming. Like it doesn't always be for gaming gaming and gaming.

  12. No clue where your benchmark scores came from but they're not accurate, I ran both a Radeon VII and 2080 together, Since they cost the same, And tried about 20 diff games, All running in 4k and max settings, But 2080 was always in front by 5 to 10% performance, Also the Radeon runs hotter too, Also noticed many others reporting the same.

  13. I use it mainly for mining and get 80 Mh/s ETH 60C and silent, I can run it with 85/90/95 but not so silent, my 1080 Ti's run at 51-54 MH/s. Not many cards beat it in ETH mining.

  14. The Radeon Vega Frontier Edition was Complete trash. Do you guys recommend upgrading to this one? For both Workstation and gaming usage.

  15. Looking back at this after purchasing a gtx 2080ti and a radeon vii mmmm they are both fucking great the radeon vii is a cheap rtx 2080ti without rtx features of course lol. It also doesn't look to kool and it heats up pretty good but I enjoyed it.

  16. I think raedon 7 is the better choice :
    If u get rtx card u have to get gsync monitor which will be twice the price of freesync monitor of same features (1080p 1ms 240hz)
    Also ryzen CPUs will be better and cheaper than Intel
    16gb vram will also be future proof just in case
    Nvidia's rtx feature gives u serious frame drops and there's still not much support in games
    You can also wait for Navi

  17. I used to think AMD sucked but then I picked up a fury for $275 and had very close performance to my 980ti which was $730. Ive been an AMD fan ever since. Shit you can pick up a Vega 56 for $300 right now. Best value I feel.

  18. Yes! it's a beast for productivity! Especially when career is first and gaming has to take a back seat.

  19. I find it funny when linus says dig deeper into our wallets…

    Up next check out this $10000 monitor/tv that beams the games direct to your brain.

  20. If they made an 8 Gb version of this card I would buy it. Priced around $599 would be an excellent value over the 2080.

  21. Linus predicted the GPU name way back in February that Apple was going to use in their Mac “Pro” 2:03

  22. Maybe you don't understand me Lambo.
    nVidia have to be punished for the 6800 series. "It's a VPU not a GPU" nVidia  ?
    I was a die hard nVidia user up until that point. There are many other reasons why nVidia have to be punished.
    What I'm saying to you is I will not buy another nVidia product no matter what the situation.

  23. You didn't test 4K gaming right? That's why you don't see the use of 16GB HBM2 😉 I guess nVidia pays well 😉 hah

  24. Your an idiot if you go with anything from AMD to build a gaming rig CPU or GPU. Enough with the “but it does more than gaming” excuse. Intel and Nvidia beat out AMD in every single price category. The best AMD has to offer the 2700x is bested by an average run of the mill i5 9400f from Intel at $100+ less. Nvidia’s 3 year old cards still beat AMDs newest offerings at every level in performance and price.

  25. Before that, notice I'm a hugh AMD fan, but… Really… What is it looks like is… AMD : pfiou… Finally we build a mining GPU for all of thous idiots… // People : GPU mining is finish now… // AMD director : I PRESENT YOU THE RADEON VII… xD

  26. The radeons job is to compete with the rtx 2080 and it does that well. It offers the same performance at the same price with better reliability.

  27. Radeon 7 is compared to its performance waaaay overpriced. I bought my 1080 for 450€ I think about 2 years ago and the Radeon 7 costs now at least 630€. Performance gain about 15-18% compared to the 1080 but price goes up 40% and higher…and this is compared to a card which I bought "2" years ago. GPU market right now is if you want a good price/performance ratio, really shitty. I mean the same overpriced shit is on the Nvidia side with their 2000 series. Performance gain? Slightly increased. Price raise? Fucking huuuge.

  28. I agree with Coreteks, great channel, that´s some serious journalism: RT is just some useless, senseless flashy lights dragging performance down to make nVidia stay relevant. A marketing cheme, so nVidia can keep "dominating", which without, they wouldn´t. The reason why, is a massiv change in the market. Intel is going to come up with a 3D cpu in about 2021, AMD probably going follow in 2022 according to Coreteks (he knows his stuff), not to forget an ARM based Windows 10 (in progress) due to the crushing success of this platform. With Microsoft, Apple and even Amazon designing their own customized chips (more and more do) and ARM´s superior processing power in certain tasks, ARM is going to come into computer market big at some point, because with ARM based Windows, gaming is going to be way smoother on ARM Windows machines. I certainly won´t pay those ridicules prices ask by nVidia and AMD, still remember when nVidia flag ship crads came to market for 430-490 bugs, according to manufacturer and retailer, dropping 100 bugs after a year. Got my 9800GT on sale for 200 instead of 330-350 back then. And don´t forget that AMD and nVidia met to discuss price inflation and price fixing and stopp competing so hard. The accuses were made and the price inflation came, but they kept competing for not getting sued.

  29. 7:50
    Holy shit, Star Control: Origins really uses 9.3 GB of VRAM? I'm guessing it just uses whatever is available to an extent but jesus. HBM2 is just too expensive. Not sure it really gives that much benefit in 99% of games. Oh and your graphs are terrible. Way too much jumbled info. Like I don't really care about 97th percentile. All these colors and shit. Every GPU on BOTH charts TWICE. Just a clusterfuck.

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