-Welcome to the show.
-Thank you. -I’m so excited to have you
here. -It’s nice to be here. I’ll-I’ll tell you a little
story. A lot of people don’t know this, but, uh, there is
the CNN that America watches. -Mm-hmm.
-And then there is the CNN that the world watches.
And in the CNN -that America watches…
-It’s a parallel universe. Yeah, it is a parallel universe.
And on one, they just
bring on people to talk but not know anything… and in the other,
you are one of the anchors. I am such a huge fan
of what you do. Welcome… -welcome toThe Daily Show.
-Thank you, it’s great to be here, and great
to be in Cleveland. -Is it great to be in Cleveland?
-(cheering, applause) -Yes, yes! -Yes.
-Is it great? It is. It is, because, honestly, people are so nice. -They… Can I…
Yeah, and that’s true. -So nice. (cheering, applause) Some of the nicest people
I have ever come across, yes. I am literally walking down
the street with my colleagues and a guy
in a pickup truck stops and offers us a ride and gives us a card
with his name on it. It’s fantastic. -Doesn’t happen
in many other places. -I wonder if this is like a scam, ’cause
that happened to me as well. -No, I was…
-Hang on. -I was at the corner, I was…
-What was his name? No, no, no, it was a woman,
actually. Someone, uh, I was at the corner and I was standing
at a… And then someone came, she was like, “Do you guys want
a ride? Do you need to go…” -I was like, “This is…”
-It’s genuine friendliness. -It really is. -And the thing is
you’re sort of skeptical, because you don’t get that
in most places you visit. Yes, that’s true,
and, uh, also, because, uh, the Republican National
Convention is here, so… -Yeah. -You-You’ve been
on the ground, though. You’re doing your show from
here, you’ve been on the ground. What have you seen?
What are the craziest things or what are some of the scariest
or saddest things you’ve come across? Well, it’s a whole different
kind of war zone. You know,
I do most of my work in Iraq -and places like that,
Afghanistan. -Yes. Um, it’s-it’s a war zone because
there is so much division. I mean, you know,
you go to these things and you watch and you listen
to the speeches, and I’m thinking, “How is one
going to unite after this?” And I really do believe
that, uh, you can’t
just sort of criminalize political differences. You know,
like Chr-Chris Christie and his “I don’t know
what guilty or innocent” -or “lock her up” or whatever,
-Yes. Yeah, yeah. and I’m thinking,
“How do you actually govern? “How do you bring a party
together? How do you bring a country together? How do
you bring a world together?” Well, you have
to find some common ground, and, um, I think that’s
in short supply right now, not just here
but around the world as well. And so I’m just hoping
that at some point we can all just get along,
as Rodney King once said. (cheering and applause) Rodney King and, uh, surprisingly,
the Joker. Yes, the Joker, who is a more
measured man in this climate. -Mm-hmm. -Why can’t
we all just get along? If, um… if you’re looking
at this election– you’re someone who is… traveling the world,
you have an illustrious career as a news anchor who has seen
elections everywhere, you’ve seen everything from
coups to peaceful protests– do you see
what is happening in America happening anywhere else
in the world? -Can you draw parallels?
-Look, I think all of a sudden
the West is in a… in a truly historic moment
right now. I think that what’s happening
in the United States is reflected, to an extent,
in Europe. You saw what happened
in-in Great Britain recently, -with Brexit.
Nobody actually thought -Yes. that this very sensible
“keep calm and carry on” country would actually, you know,
fling itself off a cliff, as some people think. You know, there are many people
who believe in Brexit, so, you know,
we have to report the facts. -But…
-If-if I may interject there, that-that’s interesting, because
you wrote about something that-that really connected
with me, and that was in and around
the conversation -of neutrality as a journalist.
-Mm-hmm. And you came out, and you were
speaking to the idea -that journalists
shouldn’t be neutral… -Mm-hmm. …which was an interesting take
I’d never heard before. Well, I-I’ve come up with a… with a sort of
a slogan right now, because I’m about frustrated
at all of this. So I now say,
“Truthful, not neutral.” -There’s a difference.
-Yes. Truthful is bringing the truth. Neutral can be creating
a false equivalence between this faction… (applause and cheering) I’m really glad you agree, because it’s to you
who I’m reporting the news, and I really want you to know that I go out of my way
to bring you the truth. And the truth is actually there. You can find the truth. And there are facts,
and there are figures. And then there are other things. -And you can’t conflate the two.
-Yes. Or equiv… or create
an equivalence there. I learned that
in Bosnia, Trevor. I covered the Bosnia war, -and there was one side that was
massacring another side. -Yeah. And we were expected to somehow
create a moral equivalence, and there wasn’t any. And so, in order to be truthful,
I had to tell the truth, which was that one side was
being massacred by another side. And that’s how you get
to an end, to a resolution, when you actually
have the truth. Now, um, you’ve also spent extensive periods
in the Middle East. You’ve covered everything
in the Middle East, -and even, I guess, in parts
of North Africa, as well. -Yup. -Looking at what happened
in Turkey… -Mm. …you are going, “What is
happening in this place?” Everyone was watching, saying, -“Is it a coup?
Is it not a coup?” -Yeah. The president came out and said,
it’s not a coup because the generals
are not involved in this, but there are military personnel who are trying
to take over the country. The coup dies down,
and now, all of a sudden, it seems, from some sides, maybe the president
staged the coup? And there’s WikiLeaks and… -You’re an expert.
-Yeah. I don’t get to talk to experts
on this often. What is happening
in that world? I think that little bit could be
a bit of a conspiracy theory. But I do think that, look,
all of a sudden, everything seems to be
coming to a head. You had that horrible
ISIS attack in Nice. And barely 24 hours later, you had this attempted coup
in Turkey. What I think is what happened
is that there were a good number of people
within the military who decided that they didn’t
like President Erdogan anymore, for whatever reason:
A, is he becoming too much of an Islamist president? The military is
fiercely secular. -Uh, is he becoming
too autocratic? -Yeah. Fromtheirperspective–
the president’s perspective– this was a plot, uh, you know,
sort of… sort of inspired by a guy who’s sitting here
in Pennsylvania. But what’s happening now is that
A, the people came out, and they refused to allow
the coup to take place. That, I think,
is a triumph for democracy. -Because the people stopped it,
yes. -The people stopped it. They really did.
He called the people out, and they came out,
the president did. But, you know,
there’s a massive crackdown now. You know, 50,000 people
are being either detained, uh, suspended from their jobs,
or under investigation, including members of the press. So I think we wait to see
how this plays out. When you see something
play out like that, a president like Erdogan, who
many have said is autocratic, many have said, you know,
denounces free speech, and, I mean, he’s locked
people up, he’s arrested them for making jokes about him
and so on, and then you see someone
like Donald Trump, who has said he wants
to get rid of the libel laws, he wants to go out
and go after journalists or satirists
who say things about him, and the people support
both of these people. Do you see a path
whereby Donald Trump could get to that same place? ‘Cause Americans always go:
It can’t happen here, -Yeah.
-let me tell you something, -Mm-hmm.
-it won’t happen here, okay? We’re different, okay? Yeah, I think that that’s true.
That is true. This is a democracy
with a First Amendment and a very, very, you know, closely guarded
freedom of expression and freedom of the press. But it is guarded
because it is fragile, and we have to make sure
that nothing and no one can assault this basic right
that makes America strong, this First Amendment and all its amazing
constitutional protection. (applause) I could sit
and talk to you for hours, but, uh… I will have
to watch you on television. -And I’ll watch you. -Thank you
so much for being here. -Thank you. Thank you.
-I really appreciate it.Amanpourairs weeknights
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Christiane Amanpour, everybody.